There was a moment during Bernard Madoff's sentencing hearing in Manhattan on Monday when it became obvious that the 71-year-old fraudster was going down for a very, very long time indeed.
It was when Judge Denny Chin cited the case of a woman who went to see Mr Madoff after her husband's death to be reassured that his legacy was safe. The avuncular titan put his arm around her shoulder and assured her that all would be well; she could trust him.
Fraud is often a difficult crime to prosecute, and for which to obtain punitive sentences. It is complex and hard for juries to understand and the harm it causes – the losses to investors in the companies involved – are intangible compared with violent and physical crimes.